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Re: Vitamin B Komplex/Pickel?? [Beitrag #5226 ist eine Antwort auf Beitrag #5223] :: Do., 29 Dezember 2005 22:09  
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thursday
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Akne verschimmert sich auch durch allergische Reaktionen. Eine Reihe von Medikamenten (Barbiturate, Antidepressiva, Kortison, Lithium) stehen unter Akne-Verdacht. Aber auch B-Vitamine (B6, B12): sie fördern die Bildung von Hornzellen auf der Hautoberfläche und behindern dadurch den Abfluß aus den Talgdrüsen.
http://www.berlinx.de/ego/0502/art3.htm
habe ich dazu gerade im net gefunden ......
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Re: Vitamin B Komplex/Pickel?? [Beitrag #5227 ist eine Antwort auf Beitrag #5223] :: Do., 29 Dezember 2005 22:10
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tino
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Hallo Gaby
Ich schlucke das schon seit Jahren,..und es hat mir noch nie Pickel gemacht.Villeicht weiss Chriss 22 da mehr,..ich weiss nicht warum und vorallem wie einige B Vitamine Akne triggern können.
E.v andere Faktoren,..Stress,Depressionen,Ernährung?
PS:War keine Hyperchonderei mit dem Minox bei mir.
gruss Tino
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Re: Vitamin B Komplex/Pickel?? [Beitrag #5239 ist eine Antwort auf Beitrag #5223] :: Do., 29 Dezember 2005 23:02
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tristan
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Hallo,
wie hoch ist der dosiert?
Ich habe im Forschungsforum einen Post gemacht, es hat jedoch noch niemand geantwortet. Studien dazu gibt es, vor allem zu B6 und B12, aber ich habe weder Volltexte noch sind es viele. Der Hauptverursacher scheint für mich B12 zu sein. Ich probiere gerade selbst aus mit verschied. B Vitaminen wie es sich auf Akne auswirkt. Als ich früher einen 50-er Komplex nahm habe ich auch Akne bekommen. Ich halte das für zuviel. Ich bin mir über die Rolle der B Vitamine unsicher. Wie ich erfahren habe ist B6 ein alter Hut, auch topisch, und kann wenn ich es in den Studien richtig verstanden habe den Androgenrezeptor runter regulieren, allerdings sind auch Auswirkungen auf den Glucocorticoidrezeptor beschrieben und alles wird kompliziert...ich wäre vorsichtig mit den B-Vitaminen und würde im sicheren Bereich bleiben wenn du nicht genau über deinen Bedarf Bescheid weißt (10-15mg). Ich habe auch schon gelesen dass Leute Haarausfall von hohen B6 Dosen bekommen haben, und das würde auch mit der Akne korrelieren. Wenn du mehr als 20mg B6 nimmst solltest du es als P-5-P nehmen. Ich hoffe dass sich Pilos und Tino vielleicht nochmal einlesen in die Sachen die ich im Forschungsforum gefragt habe, dann könnte man mehr dazu sagen. Sicher ist im Moment für mich nur dass es Auswirkungen auf die Hormonaktivität (Nebenniere) und die Reaktion auf Hormone hat, positiv oder negativ! Es macht auch noch mehr, hat EInfluss auf dei Mitochondrien...also vorsichtig...die Dosierung macht's..
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi?cmd=Retrieve&a mp;db=pubmed&dopt=Abstract&list_uids=16201314&qu ery_hl=10&itool=pubmed_docsum
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi?cmd=Retrieve&a mp;db=pubmed&dopt=Abstract&list_uids=14975445&qu ery_hl=10&itool=pubmed_docsum
" An individual who is prone for gout might need more pantothenic acid (Vitamin B5) but less lecithin,
while anyone with a tendency for iron overload would need less Vitamin B1, but much more Vitamin B2.
Some of those suffering from hypoadrenalism (Addison's disease) would benefit from extra Vitamin B1
and/or choline for their sodium-raising properties, while sodium-sensitive individuals or anyone with a
tendency for hyperadrenalism (Cushing's disease) might benefit from extra Vitamin B2 and folic acid,
which have a sodium-lowering effect.
Anyone suffering from low blood sugar episodes should avoid larger amounts of Vitamin B6 and C,
which can cause blood sugar to drop even more, but they are generally helped with extra niacinamide
and/or biotin. There are claims that diabetics may benefit from larger amounts of biotin, but patient
feedback and blood sugar measurements have been to the contrary.
Those with a tendency for mild Hyperthyroidism (see also Acu-Cell "Bromine") may benefit from
PABA, another member of the B-vitamin complex, but they should be careful taking extra Vitamin B6.
Higher amounts of Vitamin B6 will also increase magnesium retention, although this only takes place
following long-term oral supplementation, while regular Vitamin B6 injections will quickly result in a
high magnesium / low calcium ratio.
If not matched to a patient's requirements, which happens frequently when Vitamin B6 + B12 injections
are given at Weight Loss Clinics, a severe calcium deficiency develops. This by itself - or when
aggravated by an overstimulated thyroid from regular Vitamin B6 + B12 shots - can result in insomnia,
heart palpitations, chest pains, anxieties, depression, mood swings, joint / muscle pains, and/or other
symptoms.
In someone suffering from Hypothyroidism and low sodium, Vitamin B6 supplementation on a long-
term basis has the potential to eventually lower thyroid functions even more, although a brief boost will
still take place every time Vitamin B6 is injected or taken orally. In addition, Vitamin B6 will only affect
T4 (thyroxine) levels, but no conversion to T3 (triiodothyronine) takes place - causing a T3 / T4 thyroid
ratio conflict, so rather than trying to boost thyroid functions with Vitamin B6 injections for weight loss
purposes, iodine, as well as selenium and tyrosine status should be checked and corrected instead.
Another consideration when supplementing larger doses of Vitamin B6 as pyridoxine is the inhibiting
effect on Pyridoxal-5-Phosphate (P5P), which is the natural form of Vitamin B6, so if amounts larger
than 50mg are taken per day, or if they are taken on an ongoing basis, the pills should also contain a
small percentage as pyridoxal-5-phosphate to avoid the potential of causing neurological damage.
However, regardless of the type, excessive intake of both - P5P or pyridoxine - when not needed, may
also lead to nerve and/or spinal degeneration, specifically affecting T1 (with right-sided symptoms in the
upper back / shoulder area) and at L2, along with general osteo-arthritic changes in various joints.
As a result, Vitamin B6 therapy should only be used for someone with an otherwise difficult-to-manage
low magnesium / high calcium ratio.
Of course, someone's chemical profile is unlikely to be straight across before starting on B-complex
vitamins, so the end results will be different from one individual to the next. However, the inhibiting or
lowering effect of an equalized B-Vitamin complex on iron and manganese levels (as seen in the graph
above) will in people predisposed to iron-deficiency anemia and/or reactive hypoglycemia cause a
pronounced worsening of their symptoms (feeling tired). Even in otherwise "healthy" individuals, taking
mega-doses of B-vitamins can eventually lead to either "nervous energy"-like symptoms (like a hyper-
active child), or just plain fatigue. Perhaps this "tiring" effect was at some point erroneously interpreted
as having the potential to reduce stress, hence the subsequent Stress Tab designation.
Since one major effect of taking high B-complex vitamins for a lengthy time period is an increase in
zinc and potassium uptake, this could become quite detrimental for someone who is prone for ovarian
cysts, painful menstruation, prostatitis, chronic bladder infections, or inflammatory gallbladder disease,
however it might benefit someone with mild cirrhosis of the liver, some types of hepatitis, or any other
number of high iron / manganese-storage types of medical conditions.
High B-complex vitamins would be totally contraindicated with ovarian or testicular cancer, which go
hand in hand with very high cellular zinc and/or potassium levels, whereas a low potassium-related
bladder problem (weak bladder muscles) or enlarged, but benign prostate condition might benefit
from extra B-vitamins.
B-complex raises total cholesterol and triglyceride levels, which may be an unwelcome effect for some
individuals, but advantageous for those whose levels are on the low side. While B-complex vitamins
may help with high estrogenic-types of PMS, larger amounts will worsen low estrogenic-types of PMS
or even lead to suicidal tendencies in some women. A higher intake of B-vitamins can trigger heart
palpitations with congestive heart disease or above-normal thyroid or adrenal functions, and it may
aggravate insomnia, anxiety or stress disorders. Some individuals experience "burning" muscles or
a general increase in muscle tension as a result of excessive B-complex supplementation.
On average, individuals with low cardiac output, or whose zinc and potassium levels are naturally on
the low side (and thus exhibit a sluggish metabolism), are best suited to supplement higher amounts of
B-vitamins, as their system would actually benefit from the stress-inducing and metabolism-stimulating
effect of B-complex, provided none of the above contraindications apply.
If other supplements such as calcium, magnesium, iron, or Vitamin A, C, E...etc. are added, the entire
mineral profile will of course change again and re-shape some of the B-vitamins' artificially created
highs and lows. Unless someone is certain that they exhibit a chemical profile which would benefit from
a higher B-complex intake, I would personally stay on the safe side and not exceed a 10 -15mg range."
http://alopezie.de/foren/forschung/index.php/m/239/6760a27fb 87eac889c2cc688a2c1a09c/#msg_239
Gruß
tristan
AN Pilos und Tino. Wenn ihr mal Zeit habt, bitte um Hilfe dazu, bzw. die Studien die im Anhang sind wären interessant...
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Anhang: B6.pdf
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Re: Vitamin B Komplex/Pickel?? [Beitrag #5329 ist eine Antwort auf Beitrag #5320] :: Fr., 30 Dezember 2005 17:20
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tristan
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Hallo,
kommt auch auf andere Kohlenhydratquellen an. Auch schlecht: Bananen, Melonen, Ananas, weißer Reis, Nudeln, Kartoffeln, Fruchtsäfte, viele Obstsorten...
Low glycemic load, high protein diet lessens facial acne severity.
Smith R, Mann N, Braue A, Varigos G.
School of Applied Sciences, RMIT University, Melbourne, VIC.
und auch die ganze Zusammenstellung des Essens...
http://www.thinkmuscle.com/articles/incledon/diet-01.htm
The study did measure total T and SHBG. It can be seen from their data, that T increases less than SHBG did on the higher CHO diet with a ratio of 7:1 (CHO:PRO). The T values were 16.2 ± 1.2 nmol/L. This was a 28% increase over the high PRO diet and the range of increases in the subjects was from 10-93%. Assuming that the SHBG-T fraction remained at 44% of T, then the amount of T that was bioavailable would be about 9.1 ± .66 nmol/L. Compared to the amount of bioavailable T on the high PRO diet, there is an additional 1.9 ± .21 nmol/L of bioavailable T.
Also keep in mind that this same type of diet increases the ability of the liver to reduce T to 5a - reduced hormones
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Fasting suppresses T production and small amounts of either PRO or CHO do not reverse the suppression. Diets with a PRO intake greater than the CHO intake lower total T levels, and may actually decrease the bioactivity of T in the body. Higher CHO diets (70% or more from CHOs) may increase T levels, but they also affect the metabolism of T as well. While the role of fat is not entirely clear, saturated fat and cholesterol are closely linked to higher levels of T and PUFAs have some modifying role.
So, what is the best type of diet to follow if your only concern is to increase T levels and make more of it available to the body for the purpose of improving lean body mass and/or performance? It would seem that CHO intake must exceed PRO intake by at least 40% to keep the bioactive fraction of T high. Fat intake should be at least 30%, saturated fat needs to be higher than PUFA, and fiber intake needs to be low. A sample diet would have roughly the following calorie breakdown: 55% CHO, 15% PRO and 30% fat. On the other hand, what if you wanted to lower your T levels in order to minimize cardiovascular disease risk factors and/or hormone-dependent cancer risks? Then a diet with more protein, more fiber, a fat intake below 25%, and a P:S ratio of 1 or higher would be a more prudent choice. The breakdown of this sample diet would be about 50% CHO, 30% PRO and 20% fat. The problem with using percentages, however, is that people with high calorie needs will most likely take in far more protein then they need. Another strategy is to keep protein intake the same (ie 1 gram per pound of BW) and then play around with the fiber, SFA:PUFA ratio, CHO, and total fat contents of the diet. Antioxidants are important additions when trying the higher fat diets.
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Re: Vitamin B Komplex/Pickel?? [Beitrag #5399 ist eine Antwort auf Beitrag #5346] :: Sa., 31 Dezember 2005 11:29
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ihr dürft nicht vergessen das es auch immer eine sache der bewegung ist, und wie euer körper die glucose und die anderen stoffe abbaut.das ist bei jedem verschieden. wenn ich eine tafel schokolade esse(was öfter vorkommt), hinterher ein glas cola trinke, und dann irgendwann im laufe des tages noch bei mc'es vorbeischaue, und abends meine portion obst esse bekommme ich trotzdem keine pickel davon. auch nicht am nächsten oder übernächsten tag
Quick
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0,5mg Avo(stopped since 2.8.06),NEM, since 16.8.06 1,25mg finasterid, 50ug T4, Rogaine 2%,
He-MaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaN 
Et es wie et es, et kütt wie et kütt, und et hätt noch immer jot jejange 
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