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Re: propeciahelp.com: ist das wahr? [Beitrag #122689 ist eine Antwort auf Beitrag #122578] :: Di., 27 Mai 2008 07:39  
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| Foxi schrieb am Mon, 26 Mai 2008 17:29 |
| haarakiri1 schrieb am Mon, 26 Mai 2008 17:14 |
Es werden weltweit schon einige Millionen Leute Fin nehmen, aus welchen Gründen auch immer. Und das schon seit Jahrzehnten. Wenn es da irgendwelche schwerwiegenden Nebenwirkungen geben würde, wäre das doch schon längst bekannt.
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und wieviel Prostatapatienten schlucken 5mg?
ich find es wird ziemlich übertrieben was die NW's angeht
wenn man 1mg nimmt
sicher reagieren mansche heftig drauf
das gibt es bei jedem Medikament
wenn ich von dut ausgehe da schlucken einige bis zu 2mg am Tag
und keine NW's! (sagen die zumindest)
und ich bin mit 0,15mg fast Klinisch tot für 3Tage
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-was sagt eigentlich deine Lebensgefährtin zu deinen medikamentösen Höllen-Trips???
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-1/4 Fin (Proscar) 1 x täglich
-Gelatinekapsel 1 x täglich
-Magnesiumtablette (Abtei) 1 x täglich
-Kieselerdekapsel 1 x täglich
-und ordentlich gesundes Futter...
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Re: propeciahelp.com: ist das wahr? [Beitrag #122821 ist eine Antwort auf Beitrag #122812] :: Di., 27 Mai 2008 23:20
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Hi,
das hat Du gut geschrieben, "... Eine Glatze ist - beim Mann, füg ich mal hinzu - gesellschaftlich akzeptiert.".
All zu oft wird hier im Forum geschrieben, dass, hat man
erst mal die 40er-Marke gerissen, es latte ist,
was oben auf der Birne los ist. Das seh ich anders,
a) kommt es darauf an, wie eitel Du im Umgang mit Dir selber bist
(nicht ob und wie depressiv Du im Umgang mit Dir selber bist, so fertig darf der Haarausfall einen nicht machen!)
und b) welchen sozialen Status/Habitus du als Womanizer
- haste eine oder haste keine - hast. Haste keine,
macht es Dir die Sache mit Haarausfall-Emigrationshintergrund
auch nicht unbedingt leichter.
Ok, klar kannst Du jetzt sagen, dann zeig mir doch mal einen über vierzig,
der keine Haarprobleme hat...
Gruß
Crusher
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Re: propeciahelp.com: ist das wahr? [Beitrag #122825 ist eine Antwort auf Beitrag #122812] :: Di., 27 Mai 2008 23:34
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| stef84 schrieb am Die, 27 Mai 2008 22:42 |
Sag mal foxi.
Du hast eine tolle Frau und sonst scheint ja auch alles ok in deinem Leben!
Warum gibst du dir den Stress wegen deinen Haaren?
Ich weiß es sagt sich leicht, "wenn ich mal über 40 bin und verheiratet sind mir meine Haare egal..."
Aber bei mir ist es garantiert so, dass ich auf sie verzichten würde, wenn es meine Lebensqualität nur minimal einschränken würde... Eine Glatze ist gesellschaftlich akzeptiert. Deine Frau liebt dich sicher auch ohne Haare bzw. mit Milimeterschnitt! (Und sorry, foxi, so toll sehen die ja jetzt auch nicht aus).
Dazu bist du dann aber sicher eventl. ein besserer Liebhaber, siehst gesünder aus und hast ein besseres Leben (und deine Frau auch) und viele Sorgen weniger wenn du auf deine Haare scheißt!
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Mein Vater hat damals, da war ich 23, zu mir gesagt. Wenn du deine Haare jeden Tag wäscht und fönst haste mit 40 ne Glatze. Da hab ich gedacht, ist mir doch Latte.
Heute bin ich 45 und es kotzt mich total an, das es immer weniger werden.
Deinen Beitrag kann ich absolut nicht ernst nehmen, und Foxi total verstehen.
Übrigens, meiner Frau ist es auch egal. Auch "lieb hab"
Gruß
Strat
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Re: propeciahelp.com: ist das wahr? [Beitrag #122954 ist eine Antwort auf Beitrag #122522] :: Mi., 28 Mai 2008 13:58
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| Floxi schrieb am Mon, 26 Mai 2008 14:33 |
hi,
ihr kennt doch sicher die seite propeciahelp.com.
bin eben drüber gestolpert und ich war einigermaßen geschockt. treffen sich dort nur ein paar hypochonder oder wie ist das zu bewerten? der grundtenor dort ist "propecia hat mein leben ruiniert".
da ist von depressionen, etc die rede, schlimmen nw und dauerfolgen, die auch nach jahren nach dme absetzen vorhanden sind.
wenn das war ist, ist es möglich, dass ein weltkonzern das alles verheimlichen kann? wieviele menschen auf der welt nehemn überhaupt fin? wenn fin wirklich so gefährlich ist, müßte es dann nicht mehr öffentliches bewußtsein über die gefahren geben?
propeciahelp. com vermittelt den eindruck, propecia ist ein skalndal ala contergan.
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Man kann von dieser Seite halten, was man will. Die goldene Mitte zwischen der Werbetrommel rührenden page des Herstellers bzw. msd-gesponserten Haarerkrankungen.de und dieser gibt wohl die Realität am besten wieder!  Fakt ist aber, dass das meiste wirklich wissenschaftlich untermauert ist mit Verweisen auf Studien etc. Auch werden Ärzte genannt, die sich mit den hormonellen Veränderungen beschäftigt haben...nicht so, wie viele Feld-Wald-Wiesen-Ärzte hierzulande, die lobbytreu, aus Nichtwissen und teils aus Eigennutz den Blick für die Realitiät verloren und sich als willfährige Gehilfen der Pharmaindustrie verdingt haben.
Und Fakt ist auch, dass die meisten Fin wohl niemals genommen hätte, wenn sie sich allein schon nur diese "Finasteride side effects FAQ" durchgelesen hätte:
http://www.propeciahelp.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=7
Was da steht, ist schon sehr ernüchternd, wenn nicht erschreckend...selbst, wenn man "konservativ" einen Teil der aufgeführten Nebenwirkungen und geschilderten Erfahrungen abzieht! Fakt ist aber auch, dass dieses Forum durch die starke Resonanz in einer Yahoo-Gruppe entstanden ist, die auf über 1000 (!) ehemalige Fin-Konsumenten angewachsen ist, die eine Plattform suchten, sich über ihre hormonellen Nebenwirkungen infolge der Finasterid-Einnahme ausztauschen zu können. Bei ihren Hausärzten konnten sie ja leider keine Hilfe diesbzgl. erwarten...
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Finasteride Side Effects Group FAQ
1) What is Finasteride and what does it do?
Finasteride is a drug (a 4-azasteroid -- a testosterone analogue, codename "MK-906") which selectively inhibits Type II 5 alpha-reductase, the enzyme responsible for converting testosterone to dihydrotestosterone (DHT) in mice, rats, monkeys, and humans.
The Type II 5 alpha-reductase isozyme is primarily found in the prostate. Type II 5 alpha-reductase is also present in genital skin, seminal vesicles, epididymides, hair follicles and the liver, and is responsible for two-thirds of circulating DHT.
By blocking the conversion of Testosterone to DHT, Finasteride produces significant decreases in circulating serum and tissue DHT concentrations via a shrinking of the prostate. In fact, oral dosing with a 1 mg tablet will reduce serum DHT concentration within 24 hours by ~70%. Finasteride has also been found to cross the blood-brain barrier.
Besides this, Finasteride also:
- blocks Progesterone --> Allopregnanolone conversion, thus interfering with GABA-A receptor function in the brain (anxiety, possible seizures, depression)
- blocks 5ARII reduction of dihydroprogesterone and allotetrahydrodeoxycorticosterone (THDOC) in the brain
- Reduces NOS (nitric oxide synthase) via inhibition of DHT (DHT mediates NO, NO is required for erections, amongst other functions)
- Shrinks the prostate and causes involution (progressive loss of function) via prostate cell apoptosis (death)
- Elevates Testosterone levels by up to 15%-20% while on the drug, which can cause aromatization of extra/increased Testosterone into Estradiol, thus disturbing the androgen/estrogen ratio.
- Can lead to increased Estradiol via reduction of DHT (DHT is an antagonist of estrogen and keeps it in check)
- Can lead to an accumulation of Progesterone
- Can lead to depression and gynecomastia (male breast development) due to elevated Estrogen levels
- Can lead to increased liver enzymes (Finasteride is metabolized in the liver by the P450 cytochrome system)
- and other issues which have yet to be identified
Finasteride is the active ingredient in Propecia and Proscar, drug brands marketed to men for hairloss and BPH (benign prostate hyperplasia) treatment by Merck & Co., Finasteride's manufacturer.
Unfortunately, although DHT is intimately involved in both the hairloss process and BPH, it is not the "evil" male hormone the pharmaceutical industry has labelled or marketed it to be.
On the contrary, medical research shows DHT and 5AR Type-II are absolutely critical for male libido (sex drive), maintenance of proper genital tissue structures/size/function, seminal fluid production, keeping Estrogen/Estradiol levels in check, mental clarity/function (via assisting the conversion of various neurotransmitters/neurosteroids in the brain), and numerous other important and as-of-yet unknown functions in the male body.
For further proof of these claims, we invite you to review the medical literature and studies posted in the "Medical Research" section of this forum: http://www.propeciahelp.com/forum/index.php?c=5
2) What is this group and why does it exist?
This group is comprised of men of different ages who took the drug Finasteride (aka Propecia, Proscar, or other generics such as Finpecia) for varying periods of time, at various dosages, for either cosmetic (hairloss) or medical (BPH) reasons.
All men on this forum suffer from side effects that occurred during their usage of Finasteride, or which manifested themselves after they quit the drug.
For many men, the ultimate factor in their decision to take Propecia or Proscar was the assurance by Merck & Co.'s medical literature and their doctors'/dermatologists' statements that any side effects experienced would be reversible upon cessation of the drug.
Unfortunately, resolution of these side effects has yet to occur. This is contrary to Merck's (the drug's manufacturer) claim that any and all side effects are reversable upon discontinuation of the drug.
Although while taking Finasteride a man's Testosterone production may be elevated by as much as 15%, after quitting the drug, some have seen their body's endogenous production of Testosterone, DHT, Luteinizing Hormone (LH) and Follicular Stimulating Hormone (FSH) plummet. This has left certain men in a state of Secondary Hypogonadism, sometimes with seriously elevated Estrogen/Estradiol levels or numerous other hormonal imbalances and health issues which are quite difficult to treat.
For futher proof of these claims, we invite you to review the member stories and hormone charts in the "Personal Profiles" section of this forum: http://www.propeciahelp.com/forum/index.php?c=3&sid=00db 0d9a22bbe17b17ee49ddbf82ac3d
3) Wasn't there a Yahoo Finasteride Side Effects group similar to this?
Yes. In fact, the group was originally formed in 2003 on Yahoo, at the following address: http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/finasteride_side_effect s/
As membership for the Yahoo group grew to 1000+ people over 3 years, it was decided that a newer, easier-to-use forum was needed to help categorize and track the wealth of information collected -- hence, this www.propeciahelp.com forum was born.
Note that the Yahoo group will still be available as a repository of past information, and can be referenced at any time by members who have access to it.
4) What side effects are typically reported by members of this forum?
* Loss of Libido/Sex Drive
* Erectile Dysfunction
* Loss of Morning / Spontaneous / Nocturnal Erections
* Penile Tissue Changes (narrowing, shrinkage, curving, numbness, wrinkled)
* Emotional Blunting / Emotionally Flat
* Difficulty Focusing / Concentrating
* Forgetfullness (can't recall names, places etc) / Losing Train of Thought
* Stumbling over Words / Getting Tongue Tied
* Lack of Motivation
* Penis Feels "disconnected" from head or body
* Watery Ejaculate
* Reduced Ejaculate
* Inability to Ejaculate / Orgasm
* Testicular Pain
* Testicular Shrinkage / Loss of Fullness
* Extreme Anxiety / Panic Attacks
* Depression
* Persistent or Unexplainable Fatigue
* Stomach Pains / Digestion Problems
* Weight Gain
* Gynecomastia (male breasts)
Some of the less common side effects experienced are:
* Blurry vision/acuity decrease
* Lowered body temperature / decreased metabolism
* Decreased Immunity
* Enlarged Prostate (via increased Estrogens after Finasteride use)
* Penile tissue scarring/Peyronie's Disease (this has been confirmed with ultrasounds, by a quite a few Finasteride sufferers, and ultrasounds and Dr. Irwin Goldstein has confirmed that it is possible)
* Lack of blood flow to the penis (confirmed by numerous Urologists)
* Dry/Dark circles under eyes (unknown how Finasteride causes this but reported by many users)
* Pancreatitis (confirmed in a research report from Taiwan)
* Liver damage (elevated AST/ALT levels)
* Muscle Wasting (due to low T levels)
5) I'm currently taking the drug, experiencing side effects and want to quit. How should I quit?
If you have made the decision to quit Finasteride, you can either quit cold turkey or ween off the drug. Some suggest cold turkey, others suggest weening off over a period of weeks/months (ie 1-2 months) in order to minimize shock to the endocrine system and reduce symptoms of withdrawal. It is ultimately your decision, although some believe quitting cold turkey may have been a contributing factor to their ongoing problems since discontinuation, though this is of course not provable in hindsight. Regardless, the fact is if you are getting side effects and want to quit, the sooner you can discontinue using the drug, the better.
Despite the fact that Finasteride has a flat dose response (ie, 0.05mg inhibits nearly as much DHT as 1mg, as evidenced here: http://www.physics.upenn.edu/facultyinfo/frankel/papers/prop eciafda2/index.html ), if you choose to ween off (and are taking Propecia) we recommend gradually reducing the dosage from 1mg to 0.5mg (half a pill) to 0.25mg (quartered pill) to 0.125mg (8th of a pill) over time while increasing the days between dosing (ie instead of taking it everyday, take it every 2nd day, then every 3rd day, 5th, 7th and so on), until you are ultimately no longer taking the drug.
If you are taking Proscar, same concept -- reduce from 1.25mg/day (quartered), down to 0.625mg (8th) and possibly 0.313mg (16th of a pill -- if even possible to split it this much), over time.
Before you quit, it is also recommended you take bloodtests as outlined in section 6. This is so that you will have evidence of Finasteride's effects on your hormones while on the drug, to compare against after quitting.
6) I quit Finasteride and am still experiencing side effects several days or weeks after. What's going on?
If you just quit Finasteride, give it a few weeks to allow your body to recover on its own before you assess your next steps. The vast majority of men recover without issue after quitting the drug, so there's no need to panic at this stage!
Since it can take a minimum of one week for DHT levels to return nearly to baseline after a single dose of Finasteride, and due to the very slow off rate of the 5AR-II enzyme (~ 30 days), watch for the feeling of DHT returning to your body approximately 1-2weeks/a month after your last pill, and correspondingly the waning of side effects experienced while on the drug.
On the other hand -- if you do recover to your pre-Finasteride state, only to find it short-lived (a few weeks/months at most, followed by the return of side effects in full force), then you should consider further bloodtests to see what is happening with your body via a full hormone profile:
Type of blood tests to get (NOTE: GET TESTED BETWEEN 7AM-9AM, when Testosterone levels are HIGHEST in the morning):
Total Testosterone
Free Testosterone
Bioavailable Testosterone
Androstenedione
DHT (not accurate compared to Adiol-G)
3alpha-diol G (Androstenediol glucuronide -- "Adiol-G" for short): metabolite of DHT, measures 5AR-II activity
Androsterone glucuronide (another metabolite of DHT that measures 5AR activity)
Estradiol (E2)
Estrone (E1)
Total Estrogens
LH
FSH
DHEA-s
Cortisol
Cortisone
Corticosterone
Deoxycorticosterone
Aldosterone
SHBG
Prolactin
Progesterone
Pregnenolone
Albumin
ACTH
PSA
TSH
Free T3
Free T4
IGF-1
CBC or FBC (Complete Blood Count/Full Blood Count)
LFT (Liver Function Tests - AST, ALT, GGT, Bilirubin, etc.)
Androgen/Estrogen ratio
Testosterone/DHT ratio
17-ketosteroids (24-hr urine sample) -- http://www.labcorp.com/datasets/labcorp/html/chapter/mono/sc 014100.htm
5AR activity testing -- READ HERE:
http://www.propeciahelp.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=761
In addition, you may also want to consider obtaining the following tests to test for possible erection, blood flow and veinous leakage issues:
http://www.questdiagnostics.com/kbase/topic/medtest/hw231151 /descrip.htm
These erection function tests may provide additional insight into your condition and further aid in treatment.
7) It's been months, I have yet to recover and have obtained the above recommended blood tests. Now what?
The objective from this point forward would be to find doctors, endocrinologists and urologists knowledgeable enough to recognize Finasteride's dangerous effects on the endocrine system, having them believe your case and then be willing to work with you to identify possible hormonal/other issues and treatment options if you have yet to recover on your own.
At this stage, be prepared to face much adversity from the very medical community which prescribed you the drug in the first place. Most likely you will be told that all symptoms are "in your head" and that Finasteride could never cause such problems. They will likely quote that Merck's medical literature states that all side effects resolve after discontinuation of the drug. They may also prescribe other drugs such as Viagra or Cialis to help with erectile dysfunction -- while potentially helpful in the short-term, be aware that these are simply bandaid solutions and do not address the root causes of our Post-Finasteride syndrome.
Thus, before undertaking such appointments it is advisable that you read and educate yourself via the Studies section of this website. Consider printing out and highlighting the relevant materials, and consider bringing them with you to your appointments to discuss. Hopefully the medical professional will take an interest in the material and rethink your case; if not, you'll need to move on again until you find one who does.
Ultimately, besides the side effects themselves, this is possibly the most frustrating and tiring process of dealing with the post-Finasteride syndrome -- the ignorance of the (majority) of the medical community in recognizing the possibility that such persistent side effects exist, and dealing with medical professionals that claim nothing can be done to treat them (false).
 Does anyone recover from Finasteride side effects?
For the majority of men, they recover without issue; unfortunately for a small percentage (members of this forum and others out there), these side effects persist... and unfortunately the medical community does not have definite answers as to why (yet). Thus, while most Finasteride users generally recover from side effects in a short time frame (often in weeks/months), for some it may take much longer, sometimes years... or in some cases, they only recover up to a certain point. As each person's endocrine system and situation is different, there are no guarantees.
For those with more "permanent" problems, natural supplements, excercise and consistent weight training can help somewhat. However, for those that have ended up with near hypogondal levels of Testosterone/elevated Estrogens as a result of the drug, some have required the assistance of additional drug treatments to try and stimulate their Hypothalamic Pituitary-Testicular-Axis (HPTA) to produce more endogenous Testosterone/DHT, and/or reduce elevated Estrogen levels (for starters).
Common endogeneous Testosterone-boosting drug treatments include:
- Clomid (Clomiphene Citrate)
- hCG (human Chorionic Gonadotropin)
- Nolvadex (Tamoxifen)
Common estrogen reducing drug treatments include:
- Arimidex
- Nolvadex (Tamoxifen)
Still others have been able to recover by going on Hormone Replacement Therapy -- mainly Testosterone Replacement Therapy (TRT), which involves injecting or applying a patch containing extraneous Testosterone to boost one's levels accordingly.
Unfortunately, TRT is often a lifelong commitment with its own set of issues, as the body senses the extraneous Testosterone and thus shuts down it's own endogeneous production... the result of which can lead to testicular atrophy and sterility (unless hCG is used in conjunction with TRT to maintain fertility). Nonetheless, TRT is probably the "ultimate" attempt to correct Post-Finasteride induced low Testosterone -- but should only be undertaken as a last resort, as even then there are no guarantees it will correct Finasteride-related issues 100%.
Be aware that there may also be many other hormone imbalances which can be commonly overlooked as a result of Finasteride use (ie, some men present with elevated Prolactin, elevated Sex Hormone Binding Globulin -- aka SHBG, etc.). Thus, it is imperative to obtain a full hormone profile to assess your situation, and work with a knowledgeable medical professional who will help select the proper drug treatment course, depending on your bloodwork results.
It also goes without saying that each of the above treatments should be evaluated in terms of their own associated risks and/or side effects. As such, the decision to pursue any further medical treatment should not be taken lightly, and only under the care of a competent medical professional (if you can find one willing to take your case).
Finally, be aware that while some have completely recovered via medical intervention, there have been others who have tried all of the above and have yet to recover 100% to their pre-Finasteride self (but may nonetheless approach it). Again, as each person's situation and endocrine system is different, your personal recovery capability and response to any potential treatments will vary.
Some recovery stories can be seen here: http://www.propeciahelp.com/forum/viewforum.php?f=22
9) I had my hormones checked and was told all my results are in range.
This is a common misconception you will likely come across in dealing with unknowledgeable medical professionals. Hormone levels operate on different levels for each individual, and its hard to know what levels you operated on prior to using Finasteride, unless you took a baseline hormone profile before commencing use of the drug.
As a general rule a young person should have Testosterone, Free Testosterone, and DHT in the upper third of the reference ranges, with Estradiol and Estrogen in the mid ranges for optimal performance. Deciding if a person is OK or not based on a large range is an outdated protocol which the medical field has yet to address. Such ranges are taken as an average from people aged between 18 - 80 years old.
Unfortunately most doctors do not think of, or entertain the need to require blood tests prior to starting Finasteride. Having a pre-Finasteride baseline hormone profile would be your evidence that Finasteride disrupted your hormone balance post-use. Unfortunately, very few men obtain such pre-drug baselines, and are thus at a disadvantage because they have nothing to compare their post-Finasteride bloodtests against.
An example of optimal ranges can be found here: http://www.lef.org/protocols/appendix/blood_testing_01.htm
10) Do you have any recommended doctors that have experience dealing with Finasteride-induced side effects?
Dr. John Crisler -- http://www.allthingsmale.com
Dr. Eugene Shippen -- Author of The Testosterone Syndrome
Dr. Irwin Goldstein -- http://www.irwingoldsteinmd.com
These are a few of the top doctors who recognize finasteride is a problem and have treated many patients suffering from its side effects.
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Übrigens, ich muss schon sagen, dass die meisten der dort aufgeführten potentiellen Nebenwirkungen auch die sind, die hier im Forum diskutiert werden! Also, so ganz aus der Luft gegriffen ist das sicher nicht...
Allein schon, weil sehr oft seitens der Pharmaindustrie auf "große" Fin-Studien mit 1500 Probanden verwiesen wird. Da war ja schon die Google-Gruppe mit mehr als 1000 "Probanden" aus der Nebenwirkungsfraktion fast genauso groß! Soviel zur Aussagekraft und Objektivität einer "großen" Fin-Studie...
Was sagt eigentlich Prof. Wolff zu propeciahelp.com? Da wurde er doch in seiner Haarsprechstunde sicher schon mal drauf angesprochen... 
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Re: propeciahelp.com: ist das wahr? [Beitrag #122957 ist eine Antwort auf Beitrag #122522] :: Mi., 28 Mai 2008 14:36
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Propecia Side Effects : My Story
Unfortunately there are many more stories out there, this is mine...
It all started back in October 2002 but just a brief history before that. I started losing my hair in my late teens, early twenties but it has been a slow decline rather than heavy shedding. I tried minoxidil but because my hair is long it always made it look messy. When I heard about Propecia I thought what a great idea. Take a tablet each day and that’s that. It really did look like the miracle cure us baldies had been waiting for.
I started taking Propecia in October 2002. I got it from the Internet because it wasn’t available in the UK as far as I knew. I contacted Merk in New Zealand which is were my batch came from and they confirmed it was legitimate and not a cheap counterfeit. I showed them to my doctor and although he hadn’t seen Propecia before he asked me a few questions about my general health and said I would be ok to take them if I wanted to. I read the note about the 2% of men suffering from a lowered libido but also the fact that this returned to normal on stopping Propecia and also went away in men who continued to use the drug. I wasn’t dating at the time so I really did have nothing to lose, I just figured if I met someone I would stop using the drug and hey if it meant I would masturbate less I really didn’t care. I took the tablet each day for about 5 and half months. The drug had a huge affect on my hair and it grew a lot quicker and a lot thicker. All my friends noticed including my stylist, I was very happy about the positive effects.
Then I met someone I was really excited about. I immediately stopped taking Propecia and we started dating once a week. After a couple of weeks that’s when I realized things were quite the way they should be in the trouser department. I tried to masturbate but I could not get an erection even after a long time trying. Previously I had never had a problem and had always been quite a horny guy. I put it down to finasteride and thought that maybe I needed to give my body a little longer but after more time still no change. I became concerned and started searching on the Internet with Google. My worst nightmare was staring at me in black and white on the computer screen. Not one, but many cases of finasteride induced impotence. Men who had not recovered even after 3 or 4 years of finasteride I was completely distraught. I could not sleep and I could not eat, and I could not think about anything else. I cried and cried many times and the angst was almost unbearable.
I went to see my GP and told him everything, he was very understanding and made me an appointment with a doctor who was a Psychosexual specialist. I broke down in front of my girlfriend one night and told her everything and she was incredibly understanding and said she would stick by me no matter what. This was a huge relief and I was able to sleep and get back to some sense of normality. The specialist convinced me it was all in my head and he gave me some exercises to do with my partner and also Viagra to help me get over the problem. I believed him and practiced “sensate focus” with my partner and eventually used the Viagra. I did this over a 3 month period. Still suffering from impotence I decided after more research that the answer may lie within blood tests. I believed that Propecia had upset the hormone system and something was greatly out of balance. I went to see an endocrinologist and explained my symptoms as follows:
No morning erections and no daytime erections.
Great difficulty in getting or maintaining an erection for intercourse or masturbation.
Watery semen
I felt very passive
My penis felt smaller, wrinkly, less full
My testicles hung lower and felt less full, my testicles previously would well up if I didn’t masturbate for a day or so.
My penis felt “disconnected” from my brain in some way.
Sometimes my erections stopped short and my penis would arch to the left.
An increase in tummy fat.
He did some basic blood tests and told me everything was normal but my Testosterone was slightly sub normal i.e. it was below the minimum range. He said that maybe I was a low Testosterone male. He said I could go on TRT either having Testosterone injected or a rub in gel. I didn’t like the sound of this as I would have to do this for the rest of my life. I also discovered that this would shutdown my testicles and I would not be able to have children whilst in this state. We agreed to leave it another 6 months and then see how things went. We did some more tests and this time my Testosterone was slightly above the minimum range. The endocrinologist was only open to basic TRT and was unwilling to try and restart my system or do any further tests to find out what was causing my the problems. As I didn’t agree he referred me to a Professor of endocrinology . I went to the appointment with great hope, after all the person I was seeing was a professor. I came out of the appointment and cried. He didn’t believe me and said it was all in my head and that I should stop doing research on the Internet. He wouldn’t treat me as everything was between the “normal” ranges in my last test. So this leads me to my present day. 3 doctors who don’t believe I have a problem and all unwilling to treat me, believe me or even investigate. I quit Propecia in March 2003 and I am still suffering side effects. I wrote to Merk a few times but they fobbed me off saying there was nothing they could do and they weren't allowed to help me. Although things have improved slightly I am far from normal. Not only is my quality of life suffering I am now increasingly concerned for my future health. No one knows yet what Propecia does to cause this condition and no one knows what the future ramifications are. Struggling with the symptoms is one thing, ignorant doctors just make the uphill struggle ten time harder. Still the fight goes on and I am currently in consultation with a doctor in the USA. I’ll keep you posted and if I could have my time again and I would never have taken Propecia. The truth is there are many men out there whose lives have been torn apart by a drug that was supposed to stop their hair falling out. I have heard of cases were finasteride has only been taken for as little as one month, the damage appears to be irreparable by the body alone and it is not known yet whether the damage can be repaired by treatment. If you are considering Propecia exercise extreme caution and if you want my advice, stay well away.
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Hmmm...solche Berichte gibt es ja nun zuhauf im Internet! Alles an den Haaren herbeigezogen!? Mitnichten...
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Re: propeciahelp.com: ist das wahr? [Beitrag #123803 ist eine Antwort auf Beitrag #122837] :: Di., 03 Juni 2008 16:46
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Ausserdem finde ich solche Vergleiche im Anbetracht des historischen Gewichtes sowieso nicht glücklich gewählt und ist hier weder sinnvoll,noch angebracht.Solche Vergleiche und Bewertungen sollten zwischen Missbildungen und Schicksalsschlägen einfach nicht gemacht werden,da beides für sich an Tragik nichts vermissen lässt und nicht in Qualitäten eingeteilt gehört. Besonders nicht für solch einen Blödsinn...
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